The Geopolitical facts of Life: Barrie VVeiss with Brian Berletic:
‘A Tour of the New World Atlas’ – Many Revelations – Transcript Below.
The Geopolitical facts of Life – Brian B and Barrie V Take You on a Shocking Roller-Coaster Tour of the New World Atlas – Many revelations herein contained – US Imperialism Explained by ex US Marine – Founder of The New Atlas / Land Destroyer – Brian Berletic – in conversation with Barrie VVeiss of Best China Info – This is (in my opinion anyway) probably the most significant video I’ve made on this channel – Its a great honour and privilege to be able to have this kind of discourse with Brian Berletic – a pleasure to talk with someone who really knows his stuff
— Barrie VVeiss
– Let you in on a secret – We did this pretty much on the fly – off the cuff – on the hoof
– No Script – At all I sent Brian a very brief outline I hastily scrawled about ten minutes before our conversation… seriously – he’ll confirm this
– This is the level – – this is the benchmark .. 😉
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Nice to see CGTN starting to get up to speed https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1rS4y1X7pm .. New Geopolitical Analysis with @ Brian Berletic and Angelo Giuliano out this weekend on https://youtube.com/c/BestChinaInfo – See previous analysis with Barrie VVeiss and Brian Berletic here: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1TP4y147eE and here: https://youtu.be/6H8842a_xjI and Part 2 here: https://youtu.be/GGwHxpJiXrk – If you can’t access YT – https://bestchinainfo.com/news/the-geopolitical-facts-of-life-tour-of-the-new-world-atlas/ Brian and Barrie Analysis – Full Transcript is here at foot of this page .
Link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H8842a_xjI
UPDATE: Part 2 Of ‘In Conversation’ with Barrie VVeiss and Brian Berletic coming out 24th July.
The Geopolitical facts of Life – Brian B and Barrie V Take You on a Right Rollicking Roller-Coaster Tour of the New World Atlas– Many revelations herein contained – US Imperialism Explained by ex US Marine – Founder of The New Atlas / Land Destroyer – Brian Berletic – in conversation with Barrie VVeiss of Best China Info
– This is (In my opinion anyway) probably the most significant video I’ve made on this channel – Its a great honour and privilege to be able to have this kind of discourse with Brian Berletic – Let you in on a secret – We did this pretty much on the fly – off the cuff – on the hoof – No Script – At all – I sent Brian a very brief outline I hastily scrawled about ten minutes before our conversation… seriously – he’ll confirm this – – This is the level – – This is the benchmark .. 😉
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— Barrie VVeiss
The Geopolitical facts of Life – Brian and Barrie Take You on a Shocking Roller-Coaster Tour of the New World Atlas – US Imperialism Explained by ex US Marine – Founder of The New Atlas / Land Destroyer – Brian Berletic –
Full Transcipt of Part One:
Barrie here Best China Info and I would very much..
大家好, 我是靠谱中国的白矛，我很高兴
I’m very happy to welcome Brian of New Atlas to be in conversation.
邀请新云图网站创始人布莱恩来我的访谈节目。
Brian would you like to say hello and introduce yourself.
布莱恩请你跟大家打个招呼并介绍一下你自己。
My name is Brian Berletic. I’m an independent geopolitical analyst.
我叫布莱恩·贝莱蒂奇。我是一名独立地缘政治分析员。
I’m based in Bangkok Thailand where I’ve lived for about 17 years now.
我住在泰国曼谷，已经住了大约 17 年。
Before that I was a US marine right out of high school
在那之前，我刚从高中毕业就直接加入美国海军陆战队
I was based in Japan for most of my time in there.
我在海军陆战队的时候大部分时间都驻扎在日本。
I was never in combat, but I think I got to see enough
我从没参加战斗，但我想我已经看够了
of what we were doing overseas, even to our own supposed allies,
我们在海外的行径，甚至对我们自己所谓的盟友，
to be disillusioned. By the time I was getting out of the
我的幻想被敲醒。当我离开海军陆战队
marine corps, the war in Iraq was just starting
的时候，伊拉克战争正在开始
and I didn’t even want to live in the US,
我甚至都不想生活在美国，
because I didn’t want that done in my name.
因为我不想跟那些勾当扯上关系。
So I that’s why I moved Asia and Thailand in particular.
所以这就是为什么搬到亚洲，具体是泰国的原因。
That is huge news to me because I wasn’t aware of this
这对我是个大爆料因为我以前并不知道
of your military history. That’s both of us have been in the army,
你的从军背景。那我们两都是在军队当过兵了，
well obviously you are the marines.
显然你是在海军陆战队。
That’s huge news, so I have to ask a question.
这是个大爆料，所以我要问个问题了。
What made you, what turned you, if you know what I mean.
是什么让你转变想法的，如果你理解我意思的话。
What, you know all growing up, I mean Americans, are like to think that
你知道每个美国成年人都觉得我们
we’re free thinking, but I think we are thoroughly brainwashed
思想自由，但是我觉得我们被彻底洗脑了
with patritotisim
被爱国主义
and I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with patriotism
我不觉得爱国主义教育有什么错
in just.. as a basic concept. But it was being abused I wanted to
仅仅从基本概念上讲的话。但是概念被滥用了我想要的
sign up to protect my country and I thought
是签约保护我的我的国家，我想的
that’s what I would be doing.
那会是我做的事情。
But I had family members warn me, no that’s not what you’re going to do,
但我有家人警告我，不，你去做的将不是你想的那样，
you’re going to be fighting wars overseas etc.
你是要去海外打仗等等。
So I had even in my own family they supported me
所以甚至在我的家人中，他们支持我
but they warned me.
但是也提醒我。
I mean the minute.. I was.. ‘cos I got the Paris
说一开始… 当我去到 岛
island for basic training, I realized this is not what I signed up for,
做基本训练，我就意识到这不是我想的那样，
the kind of people that they were bringing in to meet quotas are not…
他们为了招满名额而选进来的人并不是…
really there’s a lot of great people in the military there are.
其实那里有好多很棒的人在军队里。
But there’s a lot of people that just shouldn’t be there
但是也有一些人是根本不应该出现在那里的
and they’re there because the US military is about something else
而他们在那里的原因就是因为美国军队是在做一些其他的事情
other than protecting the US.
而并不是保卫美国。
So I was already kind of disillusioned from the very beginning
所以我从一开始就意识到这跟我幻想的不一样
but what actually really did it for me was 911.
但真正让我转变的是911.
911 came and we all thought oh we’re all going to go to war
911发生后我们都在想我们要去打仗了
we’re going to do and we’re all angry we all were,
我们都要去而且我们都很愤怒，
it worked, you know, it was a very effective way of
这很起作用，你知道，这是动员
mobilizing people for war.
人们参战很有效的方式。
But then they never sent you know me or my unit,
但是然后他们从来没有发配我或者我所在的编队（去打仗）
we didn’t go anywhere and as the time went by
我们哪儿也没去然后日子一天天过去
I started thinking, know your enemy right,
我就开始想，不是说要了解你的敌人吗，
Sun Zte, Art of War, know your enemy.
孙子的孙子兵法，知己知彼。
I thought if these people are really our enemies
我想如果这些人真的是我们的敌人
I should know them and I started reading the Quran
那我需要了解他们，然后我开始读古兰经
from cover to cover and I started to realize all of these
一章一章的读，然后我开始意识到所有这些
quotes that they were cherry picking out of the Quran
他们精挑细选从古兰经里选出来的语句
to depict Islam as this savage radical religion it was,
把伊斯兰教描绘成一个野蛮极端的宗教
it was all lies, it was taken out of context deliberately
这全是谎言，都是故意的断章取义
to basically smear an entire religion of a billion people.
就是为了打击一个10亿基数的宗教人口。
Then we started you know, once you realize that you started to dig in like
然后我们开始细挖，你知道一旦你开始钻研这些东西，
where did the Al Qaeda come from, what was their genesis
基地组织是怎么来的，他们的创世纪是什么
and then before you realize it you’re like what we created,
然后你怅然发现是我们创造了基地组织
I even had…Actually even before that I had a chief warrant officer
我甚至有…实际上在那之前我有一个首席准尉
in my unit say we created Bin Laden.
在我编队里他说是我们创造了本拉登。
Yeah, he is a chief warrant officer spent his whole life in the marine corps
是的，他是一名首席准尉，他一辈子都在海军陆战队里
and even he said the day after 911 is like we created Bin Laden.
911 之后的那一天，甚至连他都说我们创造了本拉登。
So this is like the chickens coming home to roost.
所以这就是自食恶果。
So even at that, there was a level of awareness even in the military that
所以即使在那个时候，即便在军队中也有一定程度的意识
this wasn’t all adding up and then just one thing went to the other,
这些事情都讲不通然后事情一件接一件的发生，
I started opening my eyes wide to the
我开始把眼界放得更宽
abuses we were doing in countries that were supposedly our allies.
看到我们对我们所谓的盟友国家做的事情。
and uh yeah and then you just,
然后就怅然发现
one day you really just have a wake up moment where you’re
一天醒来你觉得
I can not do this anymore.
我不想在这么干下去了。
Yea, did you move from Japan,
好，你是从日本转的，
you were based in Japan then back to the states,
你之前驻防日本然后回到美国，
and then opted for Thailand?
然后又选择去泰国吗？
Yes because when I was based in Japan, Okinawa,
是的，因为我在日本冲绳
we would do exercises on Okinawa, it was an artillery unit,
当时我们要做演习在冲绳，它是一个炮兵编队，
we couldn’t fire artillery on Okinawa, it’s a very small island
我们不能在冲绳发射大炮，这是一个很小的岛屿
so we would go either to mainland Japan or the Philippines or Thailand
所以我们要么去日本本土要么去菲律宾或泰国
to do these live fire exercises.
去做这些演习。
So I had spent time in Thailand part of cobra golds (?)
所以我曾在泰国的 cobra golds (?)待过一段时间
these annual exercises, so that’s how I knew about Thailand.
做这些年度演习，我就是这么了解泰国的。
I went back to the US to get out of the marines,
我回到美国离开海军陆战队，
you have to you know check out in the US and then as soon as I was done
你知道你必须在美国注销，然后我一做完这些
I went back to Thailand.
我就回到泰国。
okay so we, there there’s a similarity in our paths, we were both,
好所以我们，我们的道路有相似之处我们都是
both in the military. You probably put more time in than I did
在军队待过. 你应该待得时间比我长
and then eventually hit the point where it’s like:
然后最终到了一个程度像是:
‘ I can’t live in this place..’ I disagree with the whole thing
“我受不了这里”所有事情我都不认同
and then we leave um so that’s very interesting
然后我们就离开了，这很有趣
and you know you mentioned your eyes open
你提到你打开眼界
and then you start to dig you start to look
然后你开始研究
so well hold on what actually is going on
自己去搞清楚到底是怎么一回事
then you as you said you realize who created all this stuff in the first place
然后你说你意识到是谁在最初创造了这一些麻烦
because they play one side off against another
因为他们利用两边的对立制约对方
they create the enemies
他们创造敌人
and then if you go back further and you look at the..
然后你再放眼看以前
go back to the Crusades and it’s the same ball game you know
回到十字军东征的时代，都是同样的戏码你知道
it’s this wars of religion
这些宗教战争
fought by the church and on behalf of the 1%
由教会发起的代表那1%人的利益的战争
nothing’s really changed..
还是老一套…
yeah.. and you know when you start looking at Al Qaeda
是的，当你开始研究基地组织
or the ‘Muslim brotherhood’ or any of these extremist groups
或者“穆斯林兄弟会”或者其他任何极端组织
you start to see that
你就会明白
it’s got nothing to do with religion it’s,
他们跟宗教没关系，其实是，
they’re using religion as camouflage for what is purely
他们利用宗教的伪装，真实动机
a power geopolitical gameplay and you know
就是纯粹的地缘政治利益游戏你知道
if you wanted to get the people involved in 911 according to the official
如果你想要抓获参与911的人根据官方
narrative they were mostly Saudis and the couple that weren’t Saudi
说法他们大部分都是沙特人，不是沙特的那些人
were indoctrinated by Saudi state sponsored radicalism.
也是被沙特政府支持的激进主义洗脑的人。
So why were.. we, we’ve invaded every country in the
所以为什么我们侵略了这一地区的所有国家
region except for Saudi Arabia?
但唯独没攻击沙特阿拉伯？
It doesn’t it doesn’t it just never added, it was like the
这没逻辑，也讲不通，就好像
Yeah… yeah, it it doesn’t scan.
对…对，这说不过去。
I mean my suspicion lies in another middle eastern country，
我的观点是原因在另一个中东国家
begins with an I ends with L, but there you go,
名字以I开始以L结尾，但是就这样
that’s for another time.
下次再聊这个话题。
Yeah that’s a huge piece on the gameboard for sure.
是的，那是一个博弈棋局里很大一枚棋子。
Yeah, so I’m i’m just gonna share a screen Brian and if I may
好，我想要给你分享我的桌面布莱恩
because this is where I guess I first kind of encountered your good self
因为我应该就是从这里开始认识到你的
which is, um excuse me while I do this, （I reposted this）
就是，不好意思我找一下，（我转刊了这篇文章）
on my website.. I found this great writing
在我的网站上…我发现这篇很棒的文章
about the Turkish Uyghur terror – America’s other Al Qaeda
关于土耳其维吾尔恐怖主义——美国的另一个基地组织
and this goes all the way back to
所有这些都始于早在
the nineteen seventies the Grey Wolves, Turkey
1970年代，灰狼，土耳其
this network ,this insidious network that goes way back and
这个阴险的网络从很早就开始
these preparations all…
这些准备…
seem to have always been in place and looking at,
似乎早就准备好了而且再看
I know from your videos and our conversations
我知道你的视频和我们的交谈内容
how wide this is not even getting into the realm of NGOs
这一切涉及范围很广，都甚至没有接近NGO的领域
but in terms of geopolitics
但是只从地缘政治上
it seems that the whole of the middle east is constantly occupied
似乎是整个中东地区一直被持续不断的占领
and manipulated as a geopolitical chess piece
被牵制，作为地缘政治的一枚棋子
because it is central to this whole thing and
因为它是世界的中心
and who controls this area
谁控制了这里
from what I’ve read and from what I understand，
从我读到的和理解的来看，
who controls this central land mass controls everything.
谁控制这片中心的广阔土地，谁就控制了一切。
Yes and I mean that’s that’s what I always recommend people do
是的这是我为什么总是推荐人们去
when you’re trying to decipher any given conflict in a specific country.
当你试图剖析任何一个地区的某一个冲突时候。
Don’t try to look through it through a lens of ideology
不要仅从思想角度去窥探
or myopically focus on just that country because everything is
或者是仅仅聚焦于那一个国家的细节，因为所有事情
happening in a much wider geopolitical context,
都是发生在一个非常宏观的地缘环境中，
it’s a whole game board
它是整盘棋局。
if you’re playing chess and you’re just focused on two or three squares,
如果你在玩国际象棋的时候只关注局域的一两步，
you’re going to lose the game, you’re not even going to
你会输的，你甚至都不会
know what’s going on – you’re not going to know
知道全局在上演什么，你也不会知道
if you’re winning or losing.
你的赢面和输面有多大。
So people got to zoom out and look at the bigger picture I think when
所以人们得跳出来从宏观上看问题我认为
people do and if they study history World War I, World War II
当人们这样做了，如果他们去学习一战和二战的历史，
if they look at how world war II played out
如果他们去看二战是怎么一步步开展的
yeah that’s kind of like what’s happening right now just through
其实就像现在所上演的一样，只不过是通过
hybrid and asymmetrical warfare and economic warfare,
混战和不对称战争和经济战争，
the different fronts are all the same it’s just being fought
不论战争的前线有多么不同其实都一样，就是
through a very different means in slow motion also it’s not as fast paced.
手段不同，而且以慢动作的形式在进行，进速不快而已。
There’s this there’s this thing if we don’t we don’t learn from
就是这样如果我们不从我们的历史中吸取教训
our history we’re doomed to relive it and it seems we can’t
我们就无法避免重蹈覆辙，而且似乎我们
get away from this thing.
走不出这个循环。
Now we’ve talked a little bit about the Middle East and
现在我们聊了一些关于中东的问题，
your knowledge is greater than mine，
你知道要比我多，
but I suppose this then spills Eastwards to..
但是我想把话题继续往东说…
from our perspective the borders of China.. which has included
从我们的角度来讲，中国边上问题…包括
Hong Kong – the Hong Kong situation as we know
香港暴乱，香港我们目前知道的情况，
Thailand and they tried to kick off in Thailand Myanmar I shudder
泰国，他们试图在泰国搞事情， 缅甸，
to think of the horrors that are going on in Myanmar right now
想到缅甸现在正在发生的恐怖，我不寒而栗
and you’re more aware of this than me you’re more..
你比我更清楚这一点，你更..
I think you’re more clued up.. so
我觉得你更了解..所以
what they tried in Hong Kong, they tried in Thailand，
他们在香港的尝试，复制到泰国，
and how that situation right now?
以及那里现在情况如何？
The protests have not gained traction I mean
抗议活动并没有引起人们的注意我是说
they they act as if this protest just popped up within the last year or two
他们表现得好像这抗议是在过去一两年内开始的
but there was there was a military coup in 2014.
但在2014年发生过军事政变。
They were ousting the sister of this billionaire Thaksin Chinnawat
他们驱逐这位亿万富翁他信钦纳瓦的妹妹
who he has like a people power of movement and they wear red shirt
他组织过一个人民力量的运动，他们穿着红色衬衫
and they pretend like they’re communists
他们装成好像他们是共产主义者
and they’re led by these burned out fake revolutionaries from the 1960s.
是一群1960 年代那些风烛残年的假革命者领导的。
But he’s a billionaire and during his time as prime minister,
但他是亿万富翁在他担任总理期间
he was serving US interest the entire time he was selling the country out.
一直都在为美国利益服务,出卖了整个国家。
He sent Thai troops to Iraq
他派泰国军队到伊拉克,
he hosted the CIA tortured dungeons – there’s a long list of things
他办了中央情报局审讯牢 – 他干的事情有一长串
that he did and then when he was ousted in a military coup in 2006
然后当他在 2006 年的军事政变中被驱逐的时候，
he had the largest lobbying firms in Washington backing him
他得到华盛顿最大的游说集团在支持他
and it’s clear if people just read say the BBC or CNN or Reuters
这很明显如果人们看看报纸，比如 BBC 或 CNN 或路透社
just look at how they cover the protests here in Thailand right now
就看他们如何报道泰国现在这里的抗议活动，
how they talk about the Thai military and the constitutional monarchy
他们如何谈论泰国军队和君主立宪制
you can tell which side they’re on
你就知道他们站在哪一边
and who they want to get out of power or they want to get into power
以及他们想让谁下台或者他们想让谁上台
it’s very clear. Right now the protests have stalled because
这是很明显的。现在抗议活动已经停止，因为
they’re just exactly like in Hong Kong they went on for too long
他们就像在香港一样，活动持续了太久
they got violent， their demands are irrelevant to ordinary people
他们变得暴力，他们的要求与普通人无关
that ‘democracy freedom’ you know all these abstract concepts
“民主自由”你知道所有这些抽象概念
that ordinary people in Thailand already really actually have…
泰国的普通人其实已经真的拥有了…
and there’s more important things especially with the crisis right now
还有更重要的事情，尤其是现在的危机
the health crisis and the economic crisis that’s what people care about
人们关心的健康危机和经济危机
the opposition is just compounding the problem.
反对派只会使问题复杂化。
So yeah so you don’t think that’s gonna
好, 所以你不认为那会
get much further you say it’s it’s not got much traction.
继续恶化，你说他没有吸引人们太多注意力。
It’s not, but you have to be very careful because like for right now
并不是你必须非常小心，因为就像现在
you see how China has kind of gotten back to normal
你看到中国基本已经恢复正常
after the whole Covid thing, yeah
在整个疫情以后，对
Thailand cannot do that because the government does not
泰国没法那么做，因为政府对这里的
have control over the media you know half of the media is reporting
没有控制力，你知道这里一半的媒体是报道
for sensationalism to get clicks and the other half is sided with
一些耸人听闻事情来获取点击，而另一半的媒体跟
the opposition.
反对派站在一起。
They want to compound the crisis because they think that
他们想加剧危机，因为他们认为
maybe that’s the way they can get people out into the street
这也许就是可以让人们上街（闹事）的方式
so you have to be very careful these things can always flip around
所以你必须非常小心这些事情总有死灰复燃的风险
and get out of control should never underestimate.
而且脱离掌控，不应该掉以轻心。
Yeah they’re always looking for another way to open things back up yeah.
是的，他们会一直在寻找另一种方式吧事情再次掀起来。
Yes, with Hong Kong the laws been implemented
是的，在香港，法律已经实施
peace theoretically restored and yet
理论上恢复了和平，但
an on duty police officer is stabbed and nearly murdered and
一名值班警察被刺伤并差点被谋杀，
and so you know that they’re they’re gonna keep going yeah.
所以你知道他们是不会善罢甘休的。
Yes absolutely they’re not going to give up if you look at the
是的，的确如此，他们绝对不会放弃如果你看
opposition groups here in Thailand even though they’re unpopular
泰国这里的反对派，即便他们在这里
amongst the Thai people it doesn’t matter because they don’t
在泰国普通人里并不受欢迎，这不重要，因为他们不依靠
get their support from the Thai people they get it from Washington
泰国人民的支持，他们从华盛顿获取支持
they get it through the National Endowment for Democracy (CIA)
他们从国家民主基金会 (CIA)获取支持
so there’s millions of Baht
所以有数百万泰铢
Thai Baht is the currency in Thailand they get millions of Thai Baht
泰铢是泰国的货币，他们得到数百万泰铢
which is the equivalent of getting like millions of dollars
这相当于获得数百万美元
becasue everything is cheaper here and
因为这里的一切都更便宜而且
these groups can just protest forever no matter how unpopular they are.
这些团体可以永远搞抗议，无论他们多么不受欢迎。
With the US ability to just keep printing money because
依靠美国所拥有的不停的印钞能力，因为
of the dollar hegemony that the petro-dollar they can print
美元的霸权地位，与石油挂钩的美元，他们想印
as much as they like and give away as much as they like
多少就能印多少，所以想给多少就能给多少，
So there has been, up to now a limitless fund..
目前为止，对这些暴乱的资助也是无限的…
Yes and that’s one factor, the other factor is
是的，这是一个因素，另一个因素是
America is a big country it has a huge economy.
美国是一个大国，拥有庞大的经济。
They don’t use them, they don’t use tax dollars
他们不使用钱，他们不用纳税人的钱
for infrastructure or anything constructive at home.
搞基础设施或国家内部的任何建设性的项目。
They use it for Empire building abroad and part of empire building
他们把钱花在海外的帝国建设，而帝国建设的一部分
is building these networks that
就是建立这些关系网
“they enter into the political space of other countries”
“他们进入其他国家的政治空间”
and they divide it and try to destroy it.
他们分裂它并试图摧毁它。
The exact same thing is happening in Myanmar next door.
隔壁缅甸正在发生就是这种事情。
So if we’re going to lay this out we could lay this out as
所以，如果我们要描述这局面的话，我们可以这样看
China is in the middle and they’re doing this campaign
中国在中央，而他们就在中国周围
of encirclement around China.
开展各种项目来围堵中国。
So Thailand is actually a very important target for the US,
所以泰国实际上是美国的一个非常重要的目标，
because the high speed rail is almost complete in Laos,
因为老挝的高铁快完工了，
which is just north of Thailand.
老挝就在泰国北面。
So you go from Kunming through Laos into Thailand,
所以你可以从昆明经过老挝到泰国，
the high speed rail is under construction here,
这里正在建设高铁，
it’s going to take a little bit longer.
这里项目完工将需要更长的时间。
So if they could disrupt that
所以如果他们破坏了这个项目
that that would be a huge blow to China’s Belt Road Initiative (BRI)
这将对中国的“一带一路”造成巨大打击
So the BRI. Yes, of course Myanmar, they have pipe lines
对BRI。是的，当然在缅甸，他们有管道系统
the infrastructure projects of port in southwest Myanmar and
缅甸西南部港口基础设施项目
so all of this chaos in Myanmar is going to disrupt that and
所以所有缅甸的这些混乱都是力图破坏那个
then they’re in Afghanistan and they’re backing you know
然后他们在阿富汗支持那个你知道
the violent Uyghur separatists
维吾尔族暴力分离势力运动
so that’s another part of it everywhere the belt and road is going
所以那是另一个项目部分，一带一路每到一处
the US is stirring up political instability up to including terrorism
美国都会制造当地的政治骚动甚至不惜支持恐怖主义
and in Afghanistan’s case a US military occupation and
然后在阿富汗的情况就是美军在那里驻扎
of course the these networks you mentioned terrorism
当然这些网络你提到了恐怖主义
and extremists separatists whatever
极端主义，分裂势力 不论哪种
they have all been bred and trained in all these ‘proving grounds’
他们都在所有这些“试验场”中被培育和训练
throughout the middle east and now as we’ve seen
在整个中的地区，而现在像我们看到的
can be deployed anyway they can be pushed into Xinjiang
可以被随便支配部署，他们可以被推进到新疆
they can be used in Afghanistan and of course now
它们可以在阿富汗被使用，当然现在
they can be pushed northwards to the borders of Russia
他们可以被向北推进到与俄罗斯的边境去
oh absolutely I’m very sure that was the plan especially with
哦，绝对是的，我很确定这就是计划，尤其是
the 2011 Arab Spring that the whole plan there was to collapse
2011 年的阿拉伯之春，那整个计划都是为了使
those nations or get client regimes in some place create
那些国家崩溃或者在那里创造傀儡政府来组建一个
a united front against Iran and all of these terrorist groups that
统一战线来针对伊朗，所有那些恐怖主义团体
we see the US arming and using against the government in Damascus
我们看到美国武装起来的团体，在反对大马士革政府中都被用到
they wanted to then take them through Iran and then over the
他们想要把那一批人带入伊朗然后再占领
Caucasus into southern Russia that was the whole plan.
俄罗斯南部的高加索，那就是整个计划。
As a matter of fact last year, we saw Turkey
这是去年发生的事情，我们看到土耳其
bring Syrian mercenaries to Azerbaijan right on Russia’s southern
把叙利亚的雇佣军发到阿塞拜疆，那就在俄罗斯的南方边境
border so that was the whole plan. It was just watered down
所以那就是整个计划。只不过计划流产了
because they ran out of time and Russia’s intervention.
因为他们时间不够以及俄罗斯的干预。
Now I have, you mentioned the name here,
我有个，你提到一个名字
you mentioned the word: Turkey. Now I’m puzzled about Turkey
你提到一个词：土耳其。现在我搞不懂土耳其
because on one hand the story goes that
因为一方面故事是这样的
the Turkish president and.. his name escapes me.. jesuschrist
土耳其的总统，想不起他的名字了，我的妈
Erdogan, his bacon was saved because Putin warned him,
埃尔多安,他能保住小命是因为普京提前提醒过他，
This is the story I heard that Putin warned him that ‘they are coming
我知道的是，普京提醒他“他们要来抓你了
for you you need to get out’
你得赶紧跑路了“
this was a story I heard, I think it’s an open secret
我知道就是这样，我想这已经是已公开的秘密。
and then Erdogan seems to have turned against Putin
然后埃尔多安似乎不领情还针对普京
despite the fact that.. you have this whole thing with S-400s (from Russia)
尽管事实是…然后土耳其从俄国购买S-400s
and Turkey to me is a puzzle because it’s like well hold on
土耳其很难搞，因为就好像，
whose side are they on? are they NATO? Are they Putin’s friend?
你丫到底站哪边啊？你是北约的？还是普京的朋友？
What’s your take on that Brain?
你怎么看这个事情布莱恩？
I’d like to share my screen and I’ll let you in on a little
我想分享我的屏幕，我让你进来看一个
maybe a little secret here.
算一个小秘密吧。
Can you see this? I can
你能看到吗？可以。
So this is the ‘atlas of economic complexity’.
所以这是经济体的云图。
This is put out by Harvard university and
哈佛大学制作的
what it allows you to do is see a very visualized
它能让你很直观的看到
representation of a country’s trade around the world.
一个国家与世界各国的经贸交易。
So, this is where did Turkey import from in 2018 – I mean
所以这张图是显示2018年土耳其都从哪些国家进口
all of this blue would be Europe
蓝色部分都是来自欧洲
green is Asia, red is North America and then there’s these other regions
绿色是亚洲红色是北美然后还有其他地区
and you can see for Turkey how It’s like,
你可以看到土耳其的情况
it’s very balanced if you were to look at Thailand
进口贸易各地很均衡，如果你看泰国
for example let’s see actually this is Taiwan
比如，我们看下，哦这是台湾的，
okay because we were going to talk about Taiwan
因为我们要聊台湾地区
if you look at Taiwan you can see how lopsided in favor of China and Asia
如果你看看台湾，你会发现台湾地区的贸易有多么偏向中国和亚洲
Taiwan’s trade is.
So if you look at Turkey you can see
所以如果你看看土耳其，你会看到
how balanced everything is okay. Money, money is power.
他的贸易是多么平衡。而钱，资本就是力量。
So Turkey is doing this balancing act，let’s see if we could look at export
所以土耳其正在做这种平衡行动，我们看下是否可以看出口的情况
so it’s kind of the same and and you see how Asia is kind of behind
情况差不多，你会看到亚洲占比有点少
and if you look for for Russia it’s like hardly it’s hardly on here
如果你找俄罗斯，你几乎找不到。
Yeah, that’s a very interesting map!
是的， 那是一张非常有趣的地图！
Yeah and I use metrics like that all the time because
是的，我一直使用这样的数据，因为
all that is money is power. ‘Follow the Money’,
这就是资本的力量。“追踪资金流”，
Yeah, exactly and so Turkey
是的，就是如此，所以土耳其
that’s what their trade situation looks right now
那就是他们目前的贸易情况
and this is them trying to balance the relations
这是他们试图平衡他们
between east and west and
在东西方的贸易关系
they know that China is the future
他们知道中国是未来
they know Russia would be a formidable adversary to make
他们知道俄罗斯将是一个强大的对手
that I don’t think they really want to go
我并不认为他们会真的
too far in that direction but they’re looking at this
在那条道上一直走到黑，但是他们在看
right now and this is what I believe because as you said
这个情况，而且这也是我所相信的，因为像你说的
Turkey really is a puzzle because they flip flop all the time
土耳其很难搞，因为他们反复无常不讲武德
Yeah it’s very hard and I mean they did play a key role and
这的确很难，他们确实发挥了关键作用，
I would say an ‘unforgivable role’ in the destruction of Syria
在对叙利亚的摧毁上，土耳其扮演了“不可原谅”角色
it’s like that wasn’t just politics that was a crime against
那就像，那不是仅仅是政治，那是人道主义罪行
humanity that was done there and they were a key player in that
在那里犯下的，他们脱不了干系
Yeah, so.
是的，就这样。
I mean thank you for that because I really appreciate
非常感谢这个解读，我非常欣赏
that explanation. “follow the money” and now it makes sense
这个解析，”追随资金流”现在就讲通了
that Turkey will play as many sides as possible because
土耳其想做的八面玲珑因为
it suits their balance of trade it it suits their money
这符合他们贸易平衡的既得利益。
Do you think there’s a
你觉不觉得
Aside from Russia China the US Turkey do you think there
除了俄罗斯中国美国土耳其你认为还有其他
is a key – a geopolitical chess piece – a key country or a key state
关键性地缘政治国家
that maybe holds an answer to all of this this puzzle and
可能是所有这些谜题的答案
that maybe could swing the game one way or the other
也许可以改变游戏面貌
‘I think the game I think the game is going to be swung and I
我想这游戏会被操控
think we see it happening and I think that this is the source of
我想这会发生，而且我想这会是
the unprecedented tensions that we see now especially between
我们看到的不可预知的紧张态势，尤其是
the US and China. It’s because of China rising and Asia as a whole rising
美国与中国之前的紧张态势的源泉。因为中国的崛起和亚洲整个一个洲的崛起
and actually let’s me just show because I’m in Thailand
实际上让我给你看个东西，因为我正好在泰国
let me just show you there’s another very interesting thing
我给你看下，还有个有意思的事情
that tool allows us to do let me just go back to that real quick
那个工具让我能，我迅速往前看下
okay can you see this this is Thailand 2018，
好你能看到吗这是泰国2018年的信息
and you could see how Asia as a whole
你能看出亚洲的贸易占比有多少
dominates Thailand’s trade and you can see how China plus Hong
主导着泰国的贸易，你能看到中国加上香港地区
Kong you know uh because you have to add Hong Kong
因为必须的算上香港，
is way more than the US but if we go back
加起来远比美国多很多。但是如果我们看前几年
let’s say we go back to this is 2019 let’s go back
往前看夏这是2019年的，我们回去看下
to 1998 and we can see how it’s inverted one
1998年数据我们看得出简直是180度
180 degrees so we can see how the US dominates
大反转，我们看到美国当时居于主导
And the US together with Europe how it’s almost even with all of Asia
美国和欧洲一起基本和亚洲占平
and then of course ‘Japan is is an obedient’ uh it has been ‘subordinated
当然”日本是很听话的，它一直顺从美国
to us foreign policy’
的各种政策“。
2008 you can see how things started to change，
2008年你能看到事情开始变化
China is right here plus Hong Kong and
中国在这里，香港地区在这里
then back to 2018 we can see that and even
然后再回到2018年，你看仅仅
the short amount of time while short seventeen years is kind of short
这么短的时间，17年其实很短
when you’re talking about the the span of history.
把它放到历史宏观中去看。
Totally, you see the transition here in Thailand from
的确如此，泰国的转变
the influenced the west had over Thailand to Thailand getting
西方对泰国的影响，泰国
out from under the shadow of American hegemony and
从西方美帝霸权的阴影中走出来
enjoy its sovereignty and enjoying this relationship with China
享受自己的主权而且享受与中国的关系
you could you can see it everyday in very tangible ways.
你看得到在每天生活的各方面都触及得到。
Talking about ‘following the money’
说的“追资金流”
the hegemony the power of the dollar, I’m noted
美元的霸权力量源泉，我注意到
as I’m sure many people have, there is a kind of a definite
我相信很多人都已经注意到了，其实有个明显的分歧
split in the west between for example Wall Street – generally speaking
在西方比如说在华尔街，广义上，
not talking about the wall street journal – but ‘Wall Street’
并不是指华尔街日报，就说华尔街本身
generally are quite happy with China,
其实是很喜欢中国的，
because there’s business there’s trade
因为有商务交易和贸易往来
whereas the split in the west as I see it, is between the MIC
然而西方内部分歧在我看来，是在MIC
the MIPAC whatever you want to call them,
或者MIPAC不管你怎么说
there is a split between the military between the Pentagon and Wall Street
其实在军方，五角大楼，和华尔街之间都有分歧
and I wonder is there anything that could heal that divide
我想有没有一种力量能弥合这个分歧
or are the MIC really just a bunch of psychotic nutcases
或者MIC就真的仅仅是一帮脑袋瓦塔的疯子
who are going to drive everything to the war if they can?
他们只要有条件就一定会开战？
I actually think that that is really, what’s going to happen here.
我其实觉得这就是现在的情况，可能就是这个态势
You see a lot of companies, they’re not benefiting from
很多企业，他们并没有在
you know when the US was doing their trade war with China,
中美贸易战中获益
US companies were not benefiting, they didn’t want to do that.
美国的企业没得到什么好处，他们不想这样。
They were suffering because of it and just as you say there’s a concentrated
他们因此在遭受困境，就像你说的
elite on Wall Street, part of Wall Street and in Washington definitely
在华尔街有一群精英群体，部分的华尔街，部分的华盛顿肯定是
and it is corporations like Arms Manufacturers I think there’s
像军火制造，还有我想一些银行
a lot of Banks. I kind of see their power base threatened and eroding
我想是这些机构。我觉得是他们的权利源受到威胁正在腐蚀
large established monopolies that have thrived coz they were monopolies
规模很大垄断企业他们的繁荣因为他们做垄断生意
there was no competition, they are threatened they are the ones drving this
根本没有竞争，他们受到了威胁，他们就是那些驱动
and they are the ones sponsoring these “Think Tanks”
和支持各类“智库”的幕后推手
that drum up all of this aggressive policy towards China
他们敲锣打鼓宣扬各种对中国的强势政策
and the rest of the world. Everything from the Atlantic Council
以及对全世界的。对，所有一切从大西洋议会
to the NED and the ASPI.
到国家民主基金到澳洲战略研究所。
Indeed the BBC could be called a ‘Think Tank’ just now
确实BBC也可算是“智库”
there’s not much think,
BBC没有什么智
I don’t think there’s much “thinking” going on at the BBC.
我不觉得BBC有什脑子现在。
Well, there’s directing yeah.
哈哈，会演就行了。
We were going to talk about the bbc briefly weren’t we?
我们是要简短的聊下BBC的对吧？
The Banks and the money, now my own
银行和资金，现在我自己..
Now I was accused by the BBC in their article ..
现在我被BBC在他们的文章中称做
‘Barrie is a conspiracy theorist.’
“白矛是一个阴谋论者”
I’m going to bounce this one out anyway because I’ve been accused of it.
既然他们给我这个名号我就担起这名号吧。
My opinion is that there are a certain elite in the Banking order that
我的观点是在华尔街的银行系统中肯定是有一部分精英阶层，他们会
will, have always played both sides. They put money here,
两边都下注。在这边投资，
they put money there, they play both sides off.
在那边也投资，他们两边通吃。
Because they will always profit from the chaos
因为他们永远能一直从动乱中获益，
that ensues and one way or another whoever wins.
而他们在不管是那方胜出上投了钱。
The bank always wins. The headquarters in my opinion is Israel.
赢得总会是银行. 这银行的总部就是以色列.
So that’s my “conspiracy theory”.
所以这是我的“阴谋论”。
I think well okay if they are going to continue with
我想好吧如果他们会一直
this divide and conquer we profit either way
用这个分而治之的策略，不管谁胜出都总有的吃
because we play both sides, what can stop the bank?
因为我们两边都支持了，那有什么能阻止银行呢？
Well I think the bank is
我觉得银行是
I think the banks in that sense are it’s an antiquated
我认为银行在这个意义上是一个过时的
it’s an antiquated thing and there’s countries that
这是一个过时的东西，有些国家
have their own financial bases
他们有自己的资金渠道
that they don’t rely on western finance anymore and
他们不再依赖西方金融
I got a book behind me it’s called the house of morgan
我身后有一本书叫摩根家族
and it’s supposed to be like a very
它是写的像一种
fond examination of JP Morgan, his dynasty and well you know
对JP摩根家族很友好的描述，他的家族你知道
like now that’s a banker who actually in the book
他是一个银行家书里描述的
they describe them as as not liking jewish bankers
他们写的他不喜欢犹太人银行家
okay that’s what’s in the book. But they would work
行，书里是这么写的。但是他们一起合作
they all work together all of these western bankers work together
这些所有的西方银行家都会一起合作联手
because at the end of the day it was about money and power
因为到最后其实都是为了钱和权利
there was no ideology and just as you say that when they
没什么意识分别而且就像你说的当他们
saw an opportunity to make profits yeah that’s what they would do
看到获利的机会他们就会行动
so there was the World Wars，it’s all mentioned in the book
所以有这些战争，在书里全写了
how they would push for that
他们是如何推动这些
because they were thinking about it from their point of view
因为这就是他们所想的从他们的角度
and how they would profit and they didn’t care about anything else
他们会如何获利以及他们不在意其他任何事情
Everything else was just game pieces on the board，
所有其他事情都只是他们的棋子
they didn’t look at those people going to their deaths.
他们眼里没有看到那些人走向他们的死亡。
They just know that they are being taken off the board.
对他们来说就是吃掉一个棋。
Yeah it doesn’t matter to them.
是的，这对他们无关紧要。
I’ve written several pieces about this, the root of all evil
我写了好多文章关于这些，万恶之源
the love of money, greed avarice and it is the thing that rides
对于金钱的热爱，贪婪，而且这个特点驱使着
mankind you know. I have a book here somewhere as well
人性。我这里有一本书，
you were talking about JP Morgan
你聊到JP摩根
I got the Rothschilds down behind me. Again that they’re
我这里有罗斯柴尔德在背后的书架上。同样他们
painted in a in a kind of an admirable light and of course
被描写的很光辉当然
as you said and as I know
像你说的和我知道的
it’s all about avarice and they don’t care what the suffering
全是贪婪以及他们是如何的不在乎
is behind their avarice and greed and then their
在他们的贪婪背后人们的苦难和他们
desire to to hold on to power at any cost, I wonder do you think
对权柄的渴望与不计代价，我在想你怎么看
again we can intercut and chop things out if we are worried about
当然我们可以把这一段剪掉如果我们担心
someone coming for us in the dead of night .. but um I wonder what
有人在月黑风高的夜晚找上门来..但是我好奇
what you will take is on the banks as in the western banks
你怎么看西方银行
influence in China now.
目前在中国的影响
I think they like many other western interests
我想他们像许多西方资本投资感兴趣的
and concerns I think they tried to get it
关注的一样，我想他们试图
let’s put it this way, I have a document here from 1965.
这么说吧，我这里有一份1965年的文件
It’s from the US state department’s official website, the office of the historian
来自美国国务院官方网站，历史办公室
and they’re talking about in of their longstanding strategy
文件正在谈论他们的长期战略
of encircling and containing China okay
对中国的围堵和限制。
Yeah it’s 1965, so even then that’s a long time ago
是的，1965 年，那也是从很久以前开始的了
but even then they were calling it a longstanding strategy
但即便在那时候，他们称这是一项长期战略
of encircling and containing China.
围堵和限制中国。
As a matter of fact, let me see if I can just put that out there
事实上，让我看看我是否可以把它放出来
It’s interesting and again
这很有意思
it’s the official US state department website office of the historian.
这是美国国务院官方网站历史办公室的材料。
They talk about right here,
他们在这里谈论，
they were talking about bombing north Vietnam.
他们正在谈论轰炸越南北部。
They said it only makes sense if they are in support of a long run
他们说只有长期支持这项计划才有意义
United States policy to contain communist China.
美国对共产主义中国的限制。
Then they compare communist China to Germany before World War I
然后他们将共产主义中国与第一次世界大战前的德国进行比较
and Germany and Japan before World War II and the USSR
之后又与二战前的德国和日本比较，以及苏联
and then down here they talk about the
然后在这里下部分他们在讨论
a long run effort to contain China, the three fronts Japan and Korea
长期遏制中国的三条战线，日本和韩国
India and Pakistan and southeast Asia.
印度和巴基斯坦，和东南亚。
We see this playing out to this day and part of that was
我们看到这种情况一直持续到今天，其中一部分是
and this is what they thought，they thought if they send all
这就是他们的想法，他们认为如果他们把所有的
their factories and they get their Banks and they sink all their
工厂，银行他们把所有希望押到
hopes in that they would be able to subordinate China to a western
希望能够将中国容纳到
led international order and they failed.
一个西方领导的世界秩序中，他们失败了
This back 20 years ago was a failed strategy
这在20年前就是个失败的策略
but they just never changed it which is why now
但是他们从来没调整过，这就是为什么现在
it’s not working because it doesn’t make any sense.
这计划注定成功不了因为它行不通。
I showed you how the trade situation has changed for every country in
我向你展示了东南亚每个国家的贸易形势是如何变化的
southeast Asia, it’s the same in Philippines, Thailand.
在菲律宾，泰国都一样。
All of them they were all trading mostly with you know and relatively
所有这些国家都从相对的
mostly with the west now it’s mostly with China
主要跟西方贸易，现在变成了主要同中国贸易
yeah so everything is 180, but they’ve never changed
所以情况已经180大反转了，但是他们从来按现状
their strategy accordingly. I saw a speech by
没调整过策略。我看过一个
David Rothschild about 10 years ago and he was speaking to the
大卫罗思柴尔德10年前的演讲他在
the top flight of Harvard graduates or whoever they were and
哈佛大学顶尖毕业生演讲，或者是差不多类型的群体吧
he said you know it’s always been 80/20 west east and
他是西方和东方一直是80/20开
and the future is gonna be 80/20 east west and
将来会是东方和西方80/20开
this is a Rothschild said this
这是一个罗斯柴尔德人说的
they knew and they have always known.
他们是知道的，他们一直知道。
Now I’m thinking now we’ve talked about the borders of China
现在我想,我们已经聊了中国的边界
and Myanmar even Cambodia Laos. Now if we, I wouldn’t mind if
缅甸甚至柬埔寨老挝。现在我们不如, 你不介意的话
I can pick your wonderful brain about the far southeast.
我再问问你的宝藏大脑关于远东。
I guess we’re talking about what the next play might be
我想我们可以聊下接下可能会很热的一些区域
in terms of Taiwan, Japan, Australia.
谈下台湾地区、日本、和澳大利亚。
Next episode to follow soon.
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